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		<title>Comment on Happy Hour Every Thursday by GERALD RAYPOLE</title>
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		<author>GERALD RAYPOLE</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just a comment.
It appears that the month of April is wrong on the home page.
 Also, I am interested in getting a list of some of the people who attend the meetings. I went to several in 2008 and can't remember their names. Will someone please help?
THANK YOU
GERALD RAYPOLE 
WASHINGTON C. H.</description>
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It appears that the month of April is wrong on the home page.<br />
 Also, I am interested in getting a list of some of the people who attend the meetings. I went to several in 2008 and can&#8217;t remember their names. Will someone please help?<br />
THANK YOU<br />
GERALD RAYPOLE<br />
WASHINGTON C. H.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ethnic Cleansing by Frances Wilkin</title>
		<link>http://www.clintoncountyprogressives.com/?p=22#comment-48</link>
		<author>Frances Wilkin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the answer to Gabe Strasser's question, "Who is Gideon Levy?" appeared in my original report.  He is a writer whose editorial appeared in the April 3, 2007 Israeli  newspaper "Haaretz."  In answer to Mr Strasser's question, "Why is he important?"  my response is: His lengthy editorial which appeard in "Haaretz" is loaded with statements about Prime Minister,  Ehud Olmert, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that ring true in accordance with the reports we have received through the years from members of the Christian Peacemakers Teams and the workers in such organizations as World Vision, Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitioons, Ramallah Friends School, and Mar Elias Educational Institutions.  The editorial rings so very true that I would like to present it here in its entirity, but first I want to say that I agree with Mr. Strasser that people should educate themselves.  That is the very reason I made, what was for me at my advanced age, the exhausting trip to Israel.  I wish more people would go and see for thenselves the horrors of the Israeli occupation and read in their news papers the reports of deparate parents being delayed at check points until their sick baby dies (the report of which appeared in the same paper as Gideon Levy's editorial), of people trying to stop the demolitions of homes being crushed or beaten to death (several instances of which were described to us by members of the Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions) and of farmers being delayed at check points until the produce they are attempting to take to market rots (which was described to us by farmers in the area of Bill'n Village.)  Again I agree with Mr. Strasser that we don't get the whole story from our political leaders or from our controlled news media.  Go and see for yourselves.  

Mr. Strasser says we should put ourselves in the Israeli's shoes.  I think that plays both ways.  How about Mr. Strasser putting himself in the Palestinians shoes?

                 Israel doesn't want peace 
                       Gideon Levy

The moment of truth has arrived, and it has to be said Israel does not want peace.  The arsenal of excuses has run out, and the chorus of Israeli rejection already rings hollow.  Until recently it was still possible to accept the Israeli refrain that "there is no partner" for peace and that "the time isn't right" to deal with our enemies.  Today, the new reality before our eyes leaves no room for doubt and this tired refrain that "Israel supports peace" has been left shattered.

It's hard to determine when the breaking point occurred.  Was it the absolute dismissal of the Saudi initiative?  The refusal to acknowledge the Syrian initiative?  Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's annual Passover interviews?  The revulsion at the statements made by Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, in Damascus, alleging that Israel was ready to renew peace talks with Syria?

Who would have believed it?  A highranking U.S. official says Israel wants peace talks to resume and instantly her president "severely" denies the veracity of her words.  Is Israel even hearing these voices?  Are we digesting the significance of these voices for peace? Seven million apathetic Israeli citizens prove that we are not.

Entire generations grew up here weaned on self-deception and doubt about the likelihood of achieving peace with our neighbors.  In our younger days, David Ben-Gurion told us that if he were only able to meet with Arab leaders, he would have brought us peace in his time.  Israel has demanded direct negotiations as a matter of principle and Israelis have derived great pride from the fact that their daily focus on "peace" has concealed their state's lofty ambitions. We were told that there was no partner for peace and that the ultimate ambition of  the Arabs is to bring about our destruction.  We burned the portraits of "the Egyptian tyrant" at our bonfires on La Ba'omer, and were convinced that all blame for the lack of peace lied with our enemies.

After that came the occupation, followed by terror, Yassir Arafat, the failed second Camp David Summit and the rise of Hamas to power, and we were sure, always sure, that it was all their fault.  In our wildest dreams, we wouldn't have believed that the day would come when the entire Arab world would extend its hand in peace and Israel would brush away the gesture.  It would have been even crazier to imagine that this Israeli refusal would have been blamed on not wanting to enrage domestic public opinion.  

The world has been turned upside down and it is Israel that stands at the forefront of refusal.  The policy of refusal of a select few, a vanguard of the extreme, has now become the  official policy of Jerusalem. In his Passover interviews, Olmert will tell us that, "The Palestinans stand at the cross-roads of a historic decision,"but people stopped taking him seriously a  long time ago.  The historic decision is ours, and we are fleeing from this cross-roads and from these initiatives as if from death itself.

Terror, used as the ultimate excuse for Israeli refusal, only helps Olmert keep reciting, ad nauseum, "If they (the Palestinians) don't change, don't fight terror and don't adhere to any of their obligations, then they will never extract themselves from their unending chaos."  As though the Palestinians haven't taken measures against terrorism, as though Israel is the one to determine what their obligations are, as though Israel isn't to blame for the unending chaos Palestinians suffer uknder the occupation.

Israel makes a point of setting prerequisites and believes it has an exclusive right to do so.  But, time and time again, Israel avoids the most basic prerequisite for any just peace - an end to the occupation.  Of all the questions asked during his Passsover interviews, no one bothered to ask Olmert why he didn't react with excitement to the recent Arab initiatives, without preconditions?  The answer: real estate.  The real estate of the settlements.

It's not only Olmert who is dragging his feet.  A leading figure in the Labor party said last week that "it will take five to 10 years to recover from the trauma."  Peace is now no more than a threatening wound, with no one still talking about the massive social benefits it would bring in development, security, freedom of movement in the region and by establishing a more just society.

Like a little Switzerland, we are focusing more these days on the dollar exchange rate and on the allegations of embezzlement leveled against the Finance Ministry than on the fateful opportunitties fading away before our very eyes.

Not every day and not even in every generation do we encounter an opportunity like this.  Although it's not for sure if the initiatives are completely solid and believable, or if they are based on trickery, no one has stepped up to challenge or acknowledge them.  When Olmert is an elderly grandfather, what will he tell his grandchildren?  That he turned over every stone in the name of peace?  That there was no other choice?  What will his grancchildren say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer to Gabe Strasser&#8217;s question, &#8220;Who is Gideon Levy?&#8221; appeared in my original report.  He is a writer whose editorial appeared in the April 3, 2007 Israeli  newspaper &#8220;Haaretz.&#8221;  In answer to Mr Strasser&#8217;s question, &#8220;Why is he important?&#8221;  my response is: His lengthy editorial which appeard in &#8220;Haaretz&#8221; is loaded with statements about Prime Minister,  Ehud Olmert, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that ring true in accordance with the reports we have received through the years from members of the Christian Peacemakers Teams and the workers in such organizations as World Vision, Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitioons, Ramallah Friends School, and Mar Elias Educational Institutions.  The editorial rings so very true that I would like to present it here in its entirity, but first I want to say that I agree with Mr. Strasser that people should educate themselves.  That is the very reason I made, what was for me at my advanced age, the exhausting trip to Israel.  I wish more people would go and see for thenselves the horrors of the Israeli occupation and read in their news papers the reports of deparate parents being delayed at check points until their sick baby dies (the report of which appeared in the same paper as Gideon Levy&#8217;s editorial), of people trying to stop the demolitions of homes being crushed or beaten to death (several instances of which were described to us by members of the Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions) and of farmers being delayed at check points until the produce they are attempting to take to market rots (which was described to us by farmers in the area of Bill&#8217;n Village.)  Again I agree with Mr. Strasser that we don&#8217;t get the whole story from our political leaders or from our controlled news media.  Go and see for yourselves.  </p>
<p>Mr. Strasser says we should put ourselves in the Israeli&#8217;s shoes.  I think that plays both ways.  How about Mr. Strasser putting himself in the Palestinians shoes?</p>
<p>                 Israel doesn&#8217;t want peace<br />
                       Gideon Levy</p>
<p>The moment of truth has arrived, and it has to be said Israel does not want peace.  The arsenal of excuses has run out, and the chorus of Israeli rejection already rings hollow.  Until recently it was still possible to accept the Israeli refrain that &#8220;there is no partner&#8221; for peace and that &#8220;the time isn&#8217;t right&#8221; to deal with our enemies.  Today, the new reality before our eyes leaves no room for doubt and this tired refrain that &#8220;Israel supports peace&#8221; has been left shattered.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to determine when the breaking point occurred.  Was it the absolute dismissal of the Saudi initiative?  The refusal to acknowledge the Syrian initiative?  Prime Minister Ehud Olmert&#8217;s annual Passover interviews?  The revulsion at the statements made by Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, in Damascus, alleging that Israel was ready to renew peace talks with Syria?</p>
<p>Who would have believed it?  A highranking U.S. official says Israel wants peace talks to resume and instantly her president &#8220;severely&#8221; denies the veracity of her words.  Is Israel even hearing these voices?  Are we digesting the significance of these voices for peace? Seven million apathetic Israeli citizens prove that we are not.</p>
<p>Entire generations grew up here weaned on self-deception and doubt about the likelihood of achieving peace with our neighbors.  In our younger days, David Ben-Gurion told us that if he were only able to meet with Arab leaders, he would have brought us peace in his time.  Israel has demanded direct negotiations as a matter of principle and Israelis have derived great pride from the fact that their daily focus on &#8220;peace&#8221; has concealed their state&#8217;s lofty ambitions. We were told that there was no partner for peace and that the ultimate ambition of  the Arabs is to bring about our destruction.  We burned the portraits of &#8220;the Egyptian tyrant&#8221; at our bonfires on La Ba&#8217;omer, and were convinced that all blame for the lack of peace lied with our enemies.</p>
<p>After that came the occupation, followed by terror, Yassir Arafat, the failed second Camp David Summit and the rise of Hamas to power, and we were sure, always sure, that it was all their fault.  In our wildest dreams, we wouldn&#8217;t have believed that the day would come when the entire Arab world would extend its hand in peace and Israel would brush away the gesture.  It would have been even crazier to imagine that this Israeli refusal would have been blamed on not wanting to enrage domestic public opinion.  </p>
<p>The world has been turned upside down and it is Israel that stands at the forefront of refusal.  The policy of refusal of a select few, a vanguard of the extreme, has now become the  official policy of Jerusalem. In his Passover interviews, Olmert will tell us that, &#8220;The Palestinans stand at the cross-roads of a historic decision,&#8221;but people stopped taking him seriously a  long time ago.  The historic decision is ours, and we are fleeing from this cross-roads and from these initiatives as if from death itself.</p>
<p>Terror, used as the ultimate excuse for Israeli refusal, only helps Olmert keep reciting, ad nauseum, &#8220;If they (the Palestinians) don&#8217;t change, don&#8217;t fight terror and don&#8217;t adhere to any of their obligations, then they will never extract themselves from their unending chaos.&#8221;  As though the Palestinians haven&#8217;t taken measures against terrorism, as though Israel is the one to determine what their obligations are, as though Israel isn&#8217;t to blame for the unending chaos Palestinians suffer uknder the occupation.</p>
<p>Israel makes a point of setting prerequisites and believes it has an exclusive right to do so.  But, time and time again, Israel avoids the most basic prerequisite for any just peace - an end to the occupation.  Of all the questions asked during his Passsover interviews, no one bothered to ask Olmert why he didn&#8217;t react with excitement to the recent Arab initiatives, without preconditions?  The answer: real estate.  The real estate of the settlements.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not only Olmert who is dragging his feet.  A leading figure in the Labor party said last week that &#8220;it will take five to 10 years to recover from the trauma.&#8221;  Peace is now no more than a threatening wound, with no one still talking about the massive social benefits it would bring in development, security, freedom of movement in the region and by establishing a more just society.</p>
<p>Like a little Switzerland, we are focusing more these days on the dollar exchange rate and on the allegations of embezzlement leveled against the Finance Ministry than on the fateful opportunitties fading away before our very eyes.</p>
<p>Not every day and not even in every generation do we encounter an opportunity like this.  Although it&#8217;s not for sure if the initiatives are completely solid and believable, or if they are based on trickery, no one has stepped up to challenge or acknowledge them.  When Olmert is an elderly grandfather, what will he tell his grandchildren?  That he turned over every stone in the name of peace?  That there was no other choice?  What will his grancchildren say?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ethnic Cleansing by Gabe Strasser</title>
		<link>http://www.clintoncountyprogressives.com/?p=22#comment-33</link>
		<author>Gabe Strasser</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 20:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am saddened and angered by how many people don't get the whole story of the Israeli - Palestinian issue.

First, who is this person "Gideon Levy" and how is he so important?  Of course everyone has an opinion.  I doubt very much that the "entire Arab world" would extend their hand in peace to Israel.  Take for example, the new leader of Iran -- Ahmadinejan.  It is very apparent that he is a denier of the Holocaust, and made one of his missions the destruction of Israel.   Yassir Arafat, former leader of the PLO, also wanted to destroy Israel.  He had to be forced by the US to even acknowledge Israel's existence.

How in the world can Palestinians "control terrorism" when Hamas (a well known terrorist organization) controls their government?

Frances uses the term "ethnic cleansing".  Israel has Arabs in her government.  Do any of the Arab states have Jews in their governments?  Seems like it is the Arabs who are guilty of the ethnic cleansing.

In today's New York Times, there was a lengthy article about how Jerusalem is now over one-third Arab.  This certainly does not sound like "ethnic cleansing" to me.

As for Jimmy Carter, he has gone out on a limb against Israel.  He has gone so far out, that many people that used to work for him or with him no longer do so.  I respect what Carter did when he brokered the Camp David accord with Egypt and Israel.  Something in Carter's mind has changed over the years.

I will agree that some of Israel's methods of dealing with terrorists are heavy-handed.  But, put yourself in Israel's shoes. 

There has been a lot of revisionist history written.  People need to educate themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am saddened and angered by how many people don&#8217;t get the whole story of the Israeli - Palestinian issue.</p>
<p>First, who is this person &#8220;Gideon Levy&#8221; and how is he so important?  Of course everyone has an opinion.  I doubt very much that the &#8220;entire Arab world&#8221; would extend their hand in peace to Israel.  Take for example, the new leader of Iran &#8212; Ahmadinejan.  It is very apparent that he is a denier of the Holocaust, and made one of his missions the destruction of Israel.   Yassir Arafat, former leader of the PLO, also wanted to destroy Israel.  He had to be forced by the US to even acknowledge Israel&#8217;s existence.</p>
<p>How in the world can Palestinians &#8220;control terrorism&#8221; when Hamas (a well known terrorist organization) controls their government?</p>
<p>Frances uses the term &#8220;ethnic cleansing&#8221;.  Israel has Arabs in her government.  Do any of the Arab states have Jews in their governments?  Seems like it is the Arabs who are guilty of the ethnic cleansing.</p>
<p>In today&#8217;s New York Times, there was a lengthy article about how Jerusalem is now over one-third Arab.  This certainly does not sound like &#8220;ethnic cleansing&#8221; to me.</p>
<p>As for Jimmy Carter, he has gone out on a limb against Israel.  He has gone so far out, that many people that used to work for him or with him no longer do so.  I respect what Carter did when he brokered the Camp David accord with Egypt and Israel.  Something in Carter&#8217;s mind has changed over the years.</p>
<p>I will agree that some of Israel&#8217;s methods of dealing with terrorists are heavy-handed.  But, put yourself in Israel&#8217;s shoes. </p>
<p>There has been a lot of revisionist history written.  People need to educate themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meeting Agenda For February 8th, 2007 by gstrasser</title>
		<link>http://www.clintoncountyprogressives.com/?p=16#comment-11</link>
		<author>gstrasser</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I will post the core values today.

- Gabe</description>
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<p>- Gabe</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meeting Agenda For February 8th, 2007 by Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.clintoncountyprogressives.com/?p=16#comment-2</link>
		<author>Chuck</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Our values used to be posted. Is there a reason they are not posted now.</description>
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